THEY MOCKED HIS GIFT — IT WAS A SUPERPOWER IN DISGUISE

Welcome And Setting The Scene

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Hi, I'm Kim Alexis. Today in Paris, Dr. Kelly is showing his collection of spring clothes. Hi, I'm Kim Alexis with your ticket to adventures. I'm Kim Alexis, and I'm here in New York City. Got a great show coming up for you, so stay tuned. So I am here with someone who has been labeled the human calculator. He's a Guinness world record holder, author, friend of mine, Scott Flansberg. Hello.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Thank you for having me, Ken. And yes, we're friends, and golf is the comedy nominator. Yes. We love golf.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Although we haven't golfed together.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

It's probably better that way. That's why we're still friends.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Exactly. Well, I'm not that competitive. I would be like, um, Scott, could you get my ball?

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Every tournament I go to, you're there. It's awesome. I love it. I love that you go into all these uh charity tournaments.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Yeah, we're uh kind of going in the same circles. But um, I find that the people that I meet there have such good hearts because you're giving back and not asking for anything. So that's what's nice is that you meet like-minded people and well said.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

It's nothing like giving back and then being able to have a little party while you do it, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

It's the best, great circle of friends.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yeah, yeah. All right, so

Meeting The Human Calculator

SPEAKER_01 1:21

I guess we need to start because people don't understand this, and you have explained it to me many a time. You were very young, you have a wonderful gift that probably not many, if any other people have. So this man is faster than a calculator. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Yeah, it's it's crazy. I mean, when I was a little kid, I was learning about numbers and I really didn't care. I was disconnected, I was all about sports, I was on the baseball team, football, basketball. I did everything except uh school, class in school. You know, I just was not into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

And I got picked to go up to the board because our teacher just taught us how to add up a column of numbers where you have to carry. And I was not paying attention.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

You guys know what carrying numbers are, I hope.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Right, you gotta carry the one.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

And um, I got busted. She saw I wasn't listening. I was talking to my buddy about baseball, and she picked me to go up to the front of the class and do the problems she had put up. And you were in third grade? Third grade, and I didn't know what to do. Eight or nine. I can't remember, I'm not good with the numbers, but it was eight or nine.

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Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

And um uh, and I went up there and I didn't know what to do. And I my first reaction was, oh no. Uh I'm in front of all my buddies. Right. I'm gonna embarrass myself. This is gonna look bad, and they're gonna make fun of me about this. So out of fear or luck, yeah, I looked at the numbers and I said, Oh, you know, okay, I gotta add all these up well. I learned how to read left to right. So I must have to do my numbers left to right, which is not how they're taught. Right. You start on the right and you go to the left and you carry. And I did it left to right. I went down the columns backwards and I just kept a running total in my head. So I said, all right, well, 10 plus 10 is 20, plus 10 is 30, plus 10 is 40,

The Third Grade Breakthrough

SPEAKER_00 3:20

40 plus 5 is 45, 46, 50, 52. And I said, 52. And she goes, You're right, but where's your carry? And I said, I don't even know what you're talking about. What's a carry? And she goes, You gotta carry the one. I said, Well, let's try another one. So she wrote down four more numbers, and I did the same thing. And I said, Well, that's 87.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

And you did it fast.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Fast as she could write them down. Right. And she goes, What are you doing? I said, You go like this. She goes, No, no, you gotta go like this. And I said, I think it's faster and easier if you go this way. And so from that point on, everything I would learn in math class, I would learn the way they wanted me to, but I would sit there and within a few minutes have figured out a more efficient way to get the answer where you only need to use your brain. When you learn how to do it the way we teach, you gotta have pencil and paper because you got to remember this, you got to carry that, you got to put this over there. There's a lot of methodology to it that you can never replicate in your brain and try to juggle all those numbers and symbols and keep track of all that. So I found ways to get the answer where you didn't have to retain all those things, where you just crunch to the answer. And I've been doing that since I was a little kid.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

So now you're seven, you're in third grade. Did people scream freak at you immediately?

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Or yeah, it was it was funny because um the teachers didn't know what to do with me. Right. By fourth grade, my teacher he didn't like me at all, Mr. Potter. He was like, It's my way or the highway. I was like, oh, okay, you know, so I gotta do it the way he taught. It was so slow and boring. And then in fifth grade, Mr. Mike Potter, never forget this man, I love him. And we all have a teacher in our life that changes our life for the better.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

And Mr. Mike Potter, fifth grade, I walked into class and he goes, I heard about you. He goes, uh, here's how we're gonna handle this. You figure something out in my class, you bring it to me. And if I can prove that it's not a trick, that it's algebraic, that it's grounded in algebra, I'll let you share it with the rest of the class. And I was like, Oh, this would be cool. So he taught us how to multiply two two-digit numbers together, like 16 times 14. And what's 16 times 12? 224, 224. But the way that he was showing us how to do it, I'm like, oh man, it was a little slow. Right. And I was like, I think you can do it. And within a minute, I had figured out an easier way to multiply two two-digit numbers together where you don't have to write anything down to carry, it just writes the answer down automatically. And the same question. He's like, Where is that coming from? And I said, Mr. Potter, it is screaming at me from off the board. I can't not see it. And that grade, that class really changed my life because instead of worrying about doing it my way or the highway, he let me go.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

He appreciated you.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

And by the end of fifth grade, all I knew is that I had an insight into numbers that most teachers didn't even have because they had memorized or learned the way they learned. Right. And we're just teaching that. And I kept figuring out things that nobody had done.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

Did they give you math homework, or were you just like, did they just wash their hands?

SPEAKER_00 6:14

No, I would just that was easy. Yeah, that's just no. Right. No, only like uh calculus. When I got up to calculus, maybe it became like homework. But um, anything arithmetic, you know, just crunching numbers. Right. They I had a test with 100 problems on it when I was in sixth grade, and they were just testing to see what's up with me. And I did the whole all 100 problems in three and a half minutes. And the teacher thought I needed to go to the bathroom or I wanted a break or something. I go, no, no, no, I'm done. And they looked and they saw all the answers right, and they sent me home. They didn't know what to do with me. So there weren't any for gifted programs back in the 70s like we have today.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Right. So you kind of not floundered really, but you didn't, you couldn't really capitalize on it because you didn't still understand it.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Well, it was fun. My mom was a librarian, and I found these math magazines that had contests in them. And so you would figure out the answer and then send them in. Oh, but that cost money. You had to buy an envelope, a stamp, uh, maybe a dollar submission or something. And after a while, mom's like, hey, I can't keep entering all these contests. And so uh I had a little bit of an outlet, but I got really lucky. Mr. Murphy in eighth grade and Mr. Thomas in high school, they both embraced me. They didn't shut me down. They actually challenged me to see what else I could come up with. So I was very blessed.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Right. So now you're ready to go off to college. And you know how you sit, right? You weren't, right? You didn't want to go to college.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Well, I actually didn't graduate high school.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

You did not.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

I had a personality conflict with my teacher in English in 12th grade. Personality conflict. Yes, that's how I phrase it.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

It's a nice way of putting it.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

In New York State, you have to have an English credit.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

I'm from New York State, and I'm older than you.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah, I'm 62. And I'm 65. I was in upstate near Hercomer. It's between Syracuse and Albany. And you have to have an English credit your senior year to graduate. I had scholarships, I had more than enough credits, I had everything. And I was getting ready to go to college, math, baseball. I was really excited. And then I the English teacher gave me a failing grade on my final in English by one point. So he gave me a 69. I needed 70, and that surrendered all my scholarships and high school diploma.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Wow. So here you're thinking, okay, this is the end of the world. What am I gonna do? All my plans came crashing down.

Losing School Then Finding The Air Force

SPEAKER_00 8:44

I uh I joined the Air Force and I was in Japan a couple months later.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

Yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

So you turned something from a negative into a positive. If you can call the Air Force positive, I'm sure you learned a lot there.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

It was I needed a little discipline. You know, I grew up in a big family with a lot of kids, so I could get away with a lot of stuff and not show up for hours, you know, just too many things going on. Right. And the Air Force gave me a bit of a structure, uh, which I learned that I really don't fit well in. Uh, you know, but it was nice to know it's out there. Right. And it was a blessing to travel the world and um go to school and stuff. But uh I got out of the Air Force after six years and started doing this full time.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

All right, so yeah, but so you were four years in Japan.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Yeah, two years in Alabama.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

And in Alabama, so now you start a school asks you to do what?

Teaching Kids And Building A Brand

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Thank you for remembering that. It's so funny. I've got my notes. My supervisor in Air Force in the Air Force, his son failed second grade math. He asked me to sit down and spend a little time with Travis and see if I could help him. Right. I get a call a few days later from his teacher, and his teacher says, Are you the guy talking to Travis? Because he's freaking us out in math classes right now. He went from the worst student to being able to do all kinds of amazing things. I said, Yeah, I just showed him some shortcuts and stuff. And he goes, Well, you got to come in and talk to the rest of the class. I had never done anything like that before, really never demonstrate, other than my friends and circles. Um, and the reaction from the kids in the classroom in that day really inspired me because I had a God-given ability to do it, do numbers.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

But where does that, where do you go with that? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

You have to figure that out. And that's it's not easy. It's like, how do how can I capitalize on this? How can I help other people, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:33

A lot of questions were flying through my brain. Plus, I was I had a commitment to the Air Force. All of a sudden, I found something I really want to do, not be in the Air Force anymore. I was being a computer programmer by then.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

And um So you didn't like computer programming?

SPEAKER_00 10:49

It was all right, but you know, when I was started with computer programming in the Air Force, we were doing batches of cards, and you stick them into the computer and it would organize them and write code. This was when computers were not even a thing yet, you know.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

So you weren't doing any of the work, you were just manually putting things in and having the computer do it.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Well, I would create the cards, create the flow, the program, and then you'd have to submit those cards to a machine and it would process it and then start running the program. But that's how you had to do it. That was in the uh early 80s.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Think of you like though that you could have been like Einstein, Oppenheimer, you know, those guys that helped crack codes or that the army would have, or the Air Force would have whisked off and put in a dark room, and you could still be cranking out numbers, but you went this other way.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah, the Air Force gave me a special duty assignment to go to into intelligence. That's why I ended up in Japan, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and it was a fun four years. You know, I got to see a lot of amazing things and learned Japanese and uh got married over there. All kinds, it was a great, great experience. Um, but I just wasn't fit for that structure. You know, I'm a I'm a free spirit, and um, as soon as I got out of the Air Force, I started doing this human calculator thing, and I just it was so great to have a God-given ability and to use it for something good. Yeah, it really put me in a zone that I just knew was the right place.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

Right. So here you're you're kind of I love this because this is so you're you could have gone all these other ways, but where you found your joy and your peace was talking to the kids.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

And what's funny, Kim, is uh I didn't realize uh how much of an impact I could have on math education, in that all the kids were learning stuff the same way.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

I had all these other ideas, and teachers were open to it because kids are having such a tough time with arithmetic. It opened up that door. And when I started sharing my ideas with the kids, their enthusiasm is contagious. And I just couldn't wait to get in front of the next group of kids and hopefully inspire them. And uh I didn't miss the Air Force at all. I really, I really, as soon as I started this, I knew that I was on a path where it was very satisfying to my soul. Right. And I felt like I was using my gift. And you combine those two things and it just puts you in a moment where you're always present.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

And I think the kids sensed that.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

And then you had some mentorship along the way, two people that I have read about anyway. So Don Davenport.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Double D. He's actually triple D. Oh, triple D. Love than triple D, Don Davenport, and all of his boys are D. Davenport as well. Um, yeah, Don Davenport was a marketing advertising guru in the Montgomery, Alabama area. And I reached out to him because I knew something was up after that school thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

So you went to him.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

Yeah, just and we had lunch. Right. He asked a million questions and he goes, let me get back to you. He goes, This is fascinating, amazing. Let me just get my mind around it. We had a lunch about a week later, and we started talking about how to strategize, what how to get this started.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Well, and this was when you started building a brand, and because we're the same age, we didn't understand that word. We didn't know that we as people could be brands. We thought there was just huge corporations and they were brands, but we didn't realize that we ourselves were becoming brands.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

And you know, here's the thing, Kim. It's one thing to be a talent, it's another thing to be a marketing person. And average, there's so many skill sets that are required to do all these things. Right. I had no experience in any of them. And now all of a sudden I own a brand that's me. So it was really fun experience trying to figure out how to get that going. And Don just stepped in. The guy could sell anything to anybody, even math. And he helped me get started.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Right. So then what happened? Let me see. So you've spent years working with kids, you've worked with two over two million kids now in 35 years.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

I do. In your head.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Oh, I want to go back to the story when you were young, because I love this, and I think people would like this. That when you would go with your dad to the grocery store, he would put things in the basket, you would see the price tag, and you would tell him how much the check was to write when Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

We didn't have a lot of money. We had a lot of kids, and my dad had like three jobs. And when he realized I could do this, uh, my mom had a little, let's say it was $150 to go to the grocery store. I would add everything up as they put it in the cart. Right. And my dad would have me tell him the total so he could write out the check before they started bringing us up. And that's the day that changed my life because I got it right. It was 149.34, whatever it was. And I and my dad wrote out the check, and the manager happened to be by the register. He goes, What are you doing? Wait till you know, he goes, No, no, no, my son can do it. And he goes, No, he can't. There's stuff that's taxed, there's stuff that's not taxed. And I go, Yeah, I keep two columns going. And um when the register came up and said 149.34, the reaction of that manager that day is what made me realize that maybe I'm doing some crazy stuff that most people can't do. Because to be honest with you, Kim, I thought all adults could do all the stuff I was doing in my head. I was just ahead of the kids in my class.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

No, these adults can't do mental math either.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

No, and I was just paying all of my bills earlier. And I'm like, man, I wish Scott was here right now.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

I don't do miracles, all right?

SPEAKER_01 16:32

I was trying to calculate which money to move and transfer, and then Jeff's talking to me. I'm like, stop. I'm like in the middle of something. I gotta think.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

So yeah, it's a superpower in a way. You know, um, I'm very blessed. I mean, uh, to be called the human calculator and get invited to schools and teacher workshops and corporate events around the world, just doing what I love. Right. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

So, but to go from the school, somehow you got on the Today Show

TV Breakthrough And Writing Math Magic

SPEAKER_01 17:00

and Regis Philbone. Regis is the one that labeled you pretty much the human calculator. How did you get from going to schools? Who was the one that first heard you? And how did you know? Oh, I don't mind going on live TV.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

The lesson here is you never know who's in the room when you're speaking. And there was a guy sitting in the back who was a dad of one of the kids that I was performing at that school. He was a reporter. He did a little story in Montgomery, Alabama, and a little newspaper. And somehow that article made it to the desk at Regis and Kathy Lee's office in New York City. And I got the call to go on that show. I'd never been on a TV show, no less a national TV show.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

And were you scared?

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Yeah. Oh, my mind was spinning. All I remember is Regis was so gracious. Kathy Lee was awesome. And at the end of the interview, Regis goes, Scott, you know, you're you're like a human calculator. And as soon as I heard that, I was like, Yeah, that's bingo. That's it. And so that's when that was born. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Well, you're faster than one. That's what I love. Yeah, yeah. We'll get to that in a minute. Oh, and I would like all of you, audience, to get some type of calculator because we're gonna do a little test later. So this guy is gonna amaze you because he's faster than our our fingers to be able to put person. So so now you're what made you write books?

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Yeah, um, I didn't realize that what I had in my brain would be useful to others. And only after visiting those schools did I realize I needed to put them down. And um the Regis and Kathy Lee interview got me uh a literary agent who said, Hey, I can sell sell a book tomorrow for you.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

So we went to William Morrow and Morris. William Morrow. William Morris.

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Yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Maybe, yeah. William Morrow. It's William Morris. Is it? I'm not good with letters.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

I was with them too. And you're not good with letters.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

And uh my agent got me a deal like three days later, I was in their office signing a contract to do to write math magic. And uh I moved to Del Mar, California, and sat on the beach for a couple years and downloaded everything and had a ghostwriter and went through it. It was a great experience because it really got everything out of my brain and onto paper.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Right. I would think having a gift, it's hard to explain. Like what, you stupid? That's like this. I don't know how to explain it. You just get there.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

You nailed it, Kim. That's what's funny is I did take some things for granted. You know, like I said, I thought all adults could do it. Right. And when I started seeing the kids' reactions, I knew that just do it for the kids. Just put it all down there so any little kid could open that book and say, okay, I want to see what Scott's up to and go through it and get it. So um communicating is really interesting, Kim, because when you do something fast and people think they can never do it, you got to slow down. Yeah, get them on the same page, and then you can accelerate. So that was a lesson unto itself. You know, I just I'm a little quick.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

You're a lot of quick.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Yeah, and and it was hard to slow down, you know. And so that process really showed me the speed that I needed to deliver my message so that children could understand it.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Yeah, yeah. What's the youngest age of kids that can kind of understand what you said?

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Well, I'm chairman of the world math champion, mental math championships called uh memory ad. And uh at the Las Vegas Championships in 2016, a little girl that was maybe this tall, yeah, she was six years old. And she walked up there and started breaking world records doing mental math. She didn't beat your records, not my record, but she beat other records that existed. So um that was more of you out there. Yeah, and then a little girl named Priyanchi Samani, and the world championships in Germany in 2008 really woke me up. Uh, she uh broke three world records in two days, and I got to watch her doing it, and I was like, holy cow, I need to focus on helping more kids have a foundation of number sense so they can get to there, instead of worrying about me trying to break more records on myself. And that 2008 trip to Germany really

Number Sense And Ending Innumeracy

SPEAKER_00 21:07

changed my life because I was so inspired to make sure kids have a chance at understanding the numbers. It just seems like Kim, it's become uh socially accepted to be bad at math. You can admit that on national TV and nobody would judge you.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

But if you were on Good Morning America and they and you said, you know, actually I'm illiterate. Yeah, it's embarrassing, and people would judge you. Innumerate, innumeracy is illiteracy with numbers. And so my mission is to help eliminate that from focus.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Well, you make it fun, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:39

That's that's all you gotta do with anything.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Simple and fun. I think that's the way to go.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Good words, simple most importantly. Like my goal, Kim, is whatever I'm doing, I'm gonna find the easiest approach with the least amount of steps to getting that answer.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

And that's all my books are about is how to use your mind. Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Some of those sorry, some of those equations can go down, right? With the pencil, and then you're erasing and finding the column and well, and that's intimidating. Welcome to our world.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Well, but it's intimidating to a lot of kids, right? I mean, parents too. Like you, I'm gonna check this kid's homework. I can't even understand what's happening here. So, yeah, it it's been a it's really interesting, and I don't know how humans made it this far without having a better way to approach arithmetic because numbers are all around us, it runs our life in a lot of ways, and yet we're disconnected and detached from this powerful, precise language of numbers. And so I just felt like I I needed to help people get into the world of numbers.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

So, can you go to the school board like on a national level and say, you're doing it all wrong, and here's a better way?

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A Better Pitch For Schools

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Here's it's so funny you said it that way. Before I came here today to tape this with you, I just did a workshop for Scottsdale School District.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Good. And we're gonna start here.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

That's exactly right. And so I've been trying to sell this program of how I approach numbers for many years, but I kept saying something that you just said that I think created a barrier. I kept saying, You're doing it wrong, I've got the right way. I've reworded that approach to now I have found a way to help supplement what you're already doing in the classrooms to help reinforce those lessons and give the kids a better foundation of number sense.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

So it's how you word that descriptive words of reinforcement and supplement instead of idiot.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Right. And now teachers, uh, whoever, when you start saying stuff like that, they get defensive.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

So the last thing they're gonna do is, oh, I want to hear more about that. You know, they're shutting down a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

So yeah, but if people see you in action, which we're gonna show, but I mean, you cannot dispute that you just have something that we don't. When you were in the Air Force, didn't they take you in some dark room and like go into your mind and like how does he doing this?

SPEAKER_00 24:25

And that's how I ended up in Japan. Um, when you go through Air Force basic training, they assign you jobs. The job I got assigned was refrigerator repair man after all basic training. I said, No, I'm not doing that. And uh a TV station in um Mississippi at the tech training had heard that I was there and what I could do. I don't know how they even heard about me. And they asked the base commander for permission to interview me. And the base commander was like, why? And when they told him, he called me in. Right. He said, Okay, what's going on here? And I I told him, and I went and I did the interview, and the next day I got a special duty assignment to Tokyo, Japan, working for intelligence. So I went from refrigerator repairman to an administrative assistant in intelligence, which was much more exciting.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

Right, right. Well, I love that you said, no, that's not my gift. That's not my strategy.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

I hope kids, I I I mean, to me, if you're not if you don't love what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

Well, you have to advocate for yourself.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Yeah, and you know, people push into corners that they can manage you.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

I I just I I mean, my whole thing is about if you have a gift, tune into that and see how you can use it to help others.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

And and then try to monetize it.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Right, and into into empowering people versus you're you're not into rebellion. No, it's it's more just let's just try and do this in a easier, better, simpler way.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

But I am guilty that for years I used the wrong words that may have pushed teachers and administrative staff away from my curriculum that I believe is much better than what we are using in schools. So um, you got to find middle ground there. Right. And and so that's what I'm doing now. That's what happened today. I lightened up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

We used your nice words.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

So, okay, so uh talk about the Guinness Book of World Records. How,

Guinness Record And The Counting Demo

SPEAKER_01 26:20

what did that look like? And this is is this one we should do?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Yeah, sure. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Everyone gets your calculators.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

I did a low, I did a TV show many, many years ago, and the host was Pat O'Brien.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yes, from CBS Sports.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

He used to do the US Open Tennis and everything.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

I've worked with him before.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

The producer was Eric Schatz in LA, and he produced the show called How They Do That. And Pat O'Brien was the host. I did that show, it went great. And then a few years later, Eric Schatz, the producer, got the license to do Guinness World Records primetime in America as a TV show where people could break records. And he called me up and he goes, Hey, what can you do that we could get you in the Guinness book? And I said, Well, the weirdest thing I could do, the people really freak out about it, is I can count by a number really fast. Right. And so I explained it to him, and he goes, Okay, let's do that. He created this contest, he gave me 15 seconds to race the fastest accountant in the world using a 10-key calculator. So the judge chose the number 38. So I had to add 38 plus 38 plus 38 plus 38, and just say the answers out loud. Racing a girl who's going 3-8 plus, 3-8 plus, 3-8 plus, 3-8 plus, 3-8 plus, 3-8 plus. And she's flying. And at the end of the 15 seconds, she had 28 answers, and I had 36. So I beat the machine by eight. So I'll demonstrate that for you. I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna show you a shortcut. So you don't have to race me, you can just check me. Um, okay. Clear your calculator. I got it. Make it zero, punch in 12 plus 12 and hit equals, and obviously it's gonna say 24. Yes. But with an iPhone calculator, if you hit equals again, it should say 36. Yep. And keep hitting equals and it'll keep adding. Oh, nice. Wow, you're tuned in. So keep hitting equals and it'll go 48, 60, 72, 84, 96, 108, 120, 132. Right, there you go. So now I can do that with any number. So clear the calculator and don't tell me the number yet, but pick a tough number uh that you want me to count by a two-digit number. Right. No fives or zeros or ones. Make it tough, right? Nothing Jeff could do. Make it tough, all right?

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Okay, I got it. And I add it.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Add it to itself. Okay. And then hit equals.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

And now you're gonna tell me the starting number, and I'll start counting by it. And you hit equals each time I say the next answer.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

I'm ready when you are.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

So, but we have to give the audience time because I want them to do it. Oh, yeah, go ahead. So I picked 63.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

So 63 plus 63 equals, and I'm ready when you are. You tell me when to go.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

So okay, put it in your calculator. Hopefully you're gonna, because he's going fast. Are you ready? Your mark, get set, go.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

126, 189, 252, 315, 378, 441, 504, 567, 630, 693, 756, 819, 882, 945, 1008, 1071, 1134, 1197, 1260, 13, 23, 13, 86, 14, 49, 15, 12, 15, 75. Yada yada, like that.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

And and I start slow so people can see what the heck's happening. Yeah. Then I go meet him. And that's that's to Alice Cooper. When I visited Alice Cooper in Cheryl's kids' school, they sat in the back and watched my show.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

And when I finished, Alice goes, Wow, that's crazy. That's cool. He goes, and I said, Do you have any suggestions? How can I make my show better? And he's a showman, he's a theatrical guy. He goes, Scott, that world record, that counting thing, don't just start babbling. Nobody knows what's going on. He goes, do five slow, five medium, five fast, then you go crazy because everybody will know what you're doing by then. And sure enough, that revolutionized my whole reaction to the kids at the shows.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Yeah, yeah. So hopefully you saw, I mean, you your brain is even faster than your mouth.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Yeah,

What Brain Scans Reveal

SPEAKER_00 29:58

you know what's funny? I was on Stanley's Superhumans. He invented uh, you know, a lot of superheroes. And they had me on season one, episode one, and took me to a neurobiological research center in New Mexico.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

I bet you this was fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

To watch my brain. For me, I was so excited. You're right.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

And they said, we're gonna have you do your world record in an FMRI, this new machine they had, and it's gonna watch your brain as you're doing your world record.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Were you all like all the wires I were?

SPEAKER_00 30:23

I was in a cave. I was in there, you know, deep in a thing for a long time. It was claustrophobic. And the jud the the doctor says, okay, count by 78. And I'm going 78, 156, 234, 312, 394, 68. And he goes, Oh, hold on. He goes, You're move, you move too much, and it's affecting the readings. So instead, I'm gonna say a number and just count by it in your head, and we're gonna see if we can capture it on the screen. And so he goes, count by 83. And I'm like 166, 243 in my head. And after about 15 seconds, he's okay, stop. And he goes, Okay, we got it. We we saw what's happening. He goes, give us a couple hours and we'll come back and tell you what we found.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Right. They took out of the cave.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I'm freaking out. Yeah, hallelujah. And I'm freaking out. I'm like, I can't wait to see. I didn't know the answer. Right. And uh he comes in two hours later, he goes, Scott, we didn't know if one part of your brain just lights up and you do it, or does your whole brain light up, or what happens? Turns out that this area right here is called area 44. It's called the bromin area. Okay, this is where movement and math happen.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Both movement and math.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Okay, calculates movement, and and math is done in here. And he said, When I asked my brain to count by a number, that 12 other areas of my brain, neurons come running over here, helped calculate, and then they all go back to doing what they were doing. So he said he's never seen anything like it. And he goes, Can you teach it? And I started explaining how to teach it. He goes, Oh, I would think that this is just a random, like, did you hit your head when you were a kid? I said, Yes, I did twice. Struck by lightning. I did twice. I got hit, I hit my head twice. When I was um third or fourth grade, my brother and I, Randy, we were tobogganing down a hill in upstate New York, and we were behind my Aunt Rita's house, and we took a hill that we don't normally take, right? Didn't know what was ahead, and we come up over a ravine, and sure enough, there's a barbed wire fence in front of us. Well, I'm in the front, my brother's in the back. He jumps off, which pushes me even harder into the fence. And I have a Harry Potter scar right here from when that happened. And then a year later, I was playing Little League, and my brother was pitching, and I was waiting for the next game, and somebody hit a foul ball. And if you get the foul ball, you get to keep the ball. Well, that's a big deal when you're a 10-year-old kid, right? So all the kids were running around the bleachers, and I decided I could run under the bleachers and duck and beat everybody. Well, I lifted up one bleacher too soon and took off this. And my mom was sitting in the bleacher and could hear it and knew it was bad.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Did you get the pall?

SPEAKER_00 33:07

No, I was down, I was cold. I was cold.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

And um, so I did have two knockouts.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Yeah, you know, pretty severe. But the class stuff was already starting to happen, so it's just a mishmash of all that. But the the Stanley experience was great for me to just understand how my brain works. And I didn't know about the bromin area.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Well, so ours doesn't do that. We don't take all these circuits from my brain, anyways, doesn't take all these circuits from everywhere else.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

I don't think so because I have wired my brain differently by the way I approach numbers. So you get different neural connectors.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

So so your theory is like when you teach these children, let's practice this way and retrain the brain.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

And connect those neurons that have never talked because it hasn't been approached that way. I believe when you go through my coloring book that I invented for kids with numbers, it's creating neural pathways that might never have been. And when they connect those, it's just like turning on your calculator. And now, you know, you can't shut it off. It's always there.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Yeah, you know, so you can use it whenever you want.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

Right. I love by the way, when we're at a party or something, and I'm like trying to figure out I'm like, Scott, what's this by this?

SPEAKER_00 34:15

And you're like, spit the number.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

I'm like, I didn't even need to use my you know what, Kim.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

I was a really handy friend until Steve Jobs 2007, and the iPhone came out. And all of a sudden, everybody's got a calculator in their pocket. Until that day, I was a very handy person.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

But you're still faster. You're faster. That's true. Yeah. So talk about your um counting bee that you set up in Arizona.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Yeah,

The Counting Bee And Mathletes

SPEAKER_00 34:38

this is so cool. Um, the counting bee is based off of the world record that Eric designed for Guinness World Records. Every kid gets 15 seconds, just like I did, in each round. The first round, all the participants have to count by three. All right, which is fair. It's a fair measurement because everybody's doing the same thing. When you do a spelling B, you might get a word you memorize. Jeff might get a word he never heard, I might get a word, I'm not sure. It's very random. Yes. But with the counting bee, we're all counting by three. You got 15 seconds, but nobody starts at zero. So you don't go three, six, nine, twelve and see how fast you can go. Everybody gets a random starting number. So when Jeff gets up on stage, we might say, Jeff, start at 13, count by three, go. Now he's gonna say 16, 19, 22, 25. We see how many answers he gets in 15 seconds. You start at 11, count by three. I start at seven, count by three. We see how many answers you get, and that's your score. Next round, each person gets 15 seconds. You got to count by four, starting at a random number. So Jeff might have to start at 17 and count by four. Right. Maybe he gets 20 answers, there's his score. And by the time we get to about seven or eight, you can easily see which kids are the fastest mathletes.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Yeah, mathletes. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Yeah, uh, math counts is a junior high organization. It's a national contest that just happened a couple weeks ago. And um, they they use the word mathletes. I love that. Um, and that's I really love that phrase because we celebrate athletes in our society so much.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Imagine if we celebrated mathletes like that.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

Right, or any different person that has a a wonderful way of learning something.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

Yeah. Um uh mental sports, I guess, is another way to put it. But yeah, I I think you gotta celebrate smart.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Yeah, yeah, you do. Yeah, I love in spelling bees where they're like, give me the definition. I'm like, Well, is that gonna be?

SPEAKER_00 36:35

Like it helps. These kids they can figure things out by origin of country, and like there's nuances. I mean, it's an art, it's a different art though. Yes, but with counting and crunching numbers, here's the difference. The spelling bee only works in America and English speaking countries. Like in Tokyo, they aren't doing a spelling bee. Why? Because they don't use the English alphabet. You know, they're using kanji and hiragana, katakana. They're using symbols, yes. Yeah, it's called. So the spelling bees in well, there's different writing uh styles. There's there's kanji, which is very hieroglyphic looking, but also there's hiragana and katakana. Hiragana is for Japanese words, katakana is for foreign words, so there's a lot of symbols and things like that. But with English, there's 26 letters. Right. It's very easy to measure and test. The difference is the counting bee works in every country, every language, because all the kids are using zero through nine.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

And so it's no gray area, none. And that's the best part. Like you said, when a kid gets a word, they're they interview the judge for two minutes to interrogate them to see what they can learn. When you say start at seven, count by three, the clock starts, you got 15 seconds. There's only one answer, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Right. Okay, I love it. Um, so now I'm gonna take you back to where you grew up in Herkimer and talk about what

The Herkimer Nine And A Stolen Legacy

SPEAKER_01 37:53

you're doing now. You are now 62. Instead of working with children, you've taken on this big project. Yeah, there was a lot of information there, but I'm gonna have you talk about it. So you're now a CEO.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

You know, it's crazy. I I can't relate to that. Like, I never pictured myself as a CEO. I'm running a foundation.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Do you have a suit?

SPEAKER_00 38:13

I do. I had to wear it like a few months ago, so I know I still have it. Um I uh I've started a foundation. Never thought I'd run a foundation with nine board members. Um, I own a semi-pro basketball team. That's a full-time job. I've got you have your t-shirt? Yep, the Herkimer OG originals. And um, so I'm doing a lot of things I wasn't good at. And that's what I wanted to mention to you, Kim, because like we were talking about when you're good at something, you just want to go kill it, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

When COVID hit, the school shut down and I couldn't be going to schools and visiting. And I go back home to Herkimer. My dad was having some health issues, and so I wanted to go back to upstate New York and help him out. And he would pass out every day from his medicine. So I would just go take a walk to get some fresh air. And I walked into the Herkimer County Historical Society, and uh uh there's a guy there uh who was a volunteer who's like 85 years old, Ted. And I said, Ted, tell me something about my hometown Herkimer that would blow me away.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

And he goes, Well, you know, about that basketball was invented here in Herkimer, and I said, No, I didn't, I don't know that. And he goes, Oh, yeah, it's uh it's it's real. And I said, I need to see some proof. He hands me a book called I Grew Up with Basketball by a guy named Frank J. Baslow. He wrote this book in 1952, and he claims that the first game of basketball happened in Herkimer, and they sent those rules into Springfield, YMCA, and that's the headquarters of the YMCA. That's why they sent them there. And James Naismith was the editor of the magazine that published the rules, but no, in no way claimed to have invented the sport. He just published the rules. He didn't say anybody invented it, it was neutral. Right. Well, here's the coincidence that freaked me out, Kim. I'm all about the number nine.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

That's right. So you talk about counting on your fingers to nine instead of yeah, like this.

SPEAKER_00 40:10

So if you if you look at your calculator, there's no 10. It's not one through ten. No, it's zero through nine. There are ten digits that are the alphabet of all the numbers. And we have ten fingers. The human body's designed to have ten fingers. And I teach kids to go like this zero. One, two, three, four.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Five, six, seven, eight, nine. That activates your calculator because now you counted zero and you ended at nine, just like a calculator. And the secret to numbers is that everything goes back to the number nine. I was playing golf with Alice Cooper on 9999, and we were all getting ready to die from Y2K. The calendar was gonna kill us in a couple months. I was really freaking out. And I visited a school in Paradise Valley, and a little girl asked me to do my Guinness Roll record and count by the number 28. So I'm just going 28, 56, 84, 112, 140, 168, 196, 224, 252, 280, 308, 336, 364. I heard 364 and I was like, that's almost the year. So 13 times 28 is 364. Why aren't we using a 13-month calendar? Every month could be 28 days. That's four weeks. Every day would be the same day of the week every month. The first would always be a Monday. The fifth would always be a Friday. Every number would be the same day of the week every month. And I invented the zero day to add it up to 365. And I'm getting ready to launch it on 9999. Big story coming out here in Phoenix in the New Times. And I get a call the night before, and they say, hey, we're gonna do it next week. There's not enough room this week. And I was like, next week isn't 9999. They needed it tomorrow. And they don't, they didn't get it. And I was all bummed out. Because you're the numbers guy. Well, and I show up at the golf course the next day, the Arizona built more, and it's just me and Alice. And I told Alice what happened, and he goes, Scott, don't worry. You know, he runs our Bible study on Wednesday mornings. He's like, everything happens for a reason. It wasn't supposed to happen today. It's okay. And we get to the 18th hole, and Alice goes, Hey, I wrote a song called 18. 1 plus 8 is 9. Today's 9, 9, 99. How come 18 adds up to 9? And I said, Alice, that's actually pretty easy. Any number times nine, that answer adds up to nine. Like three times nine is 27. Yeah. Two and seven is nine. Six times nine is fifty-four. Five and four is nine. I go, eight times nine is seventy-two. Seven and two is nine. He goes, okay, I don't care. And I'm driving home and I'm thinking about this, like, why doesn't anybody care about that simple thing? And I got home and I looked at my 13-month calendar and I did something. I noticed I looked at 13 and my brain went, one plus three is four. 13 minus four is nine. Is nine. I was like, oh my gosh, what a weird coincidence to notice that on 9999. Right. I try it with the number 11. One and one is two. 11 minus 2 is 9. Like, what's going on? Kim, honestly, I've started to do all these numbers and it's working. Everything goes back to nine, and I'm like, oh my gosh, did I miss a day in like third or fourth grade when they taught this? And everybody on the planet knows it. And here I am, the human calculator, and I don't know this.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

You keep thinking like you're missing something, and you're like a way ahead of the game.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

I did not know it at that time. I was freaking out that morning. I had like a little, my own little personal Y2K. And I called my high school to get my math teacher on the phone. His name's Tommy Thomas, T squared. We call him T squared. And I I get him in the teacher lobby lounge and I go, T squared, try this with 13, try it with 11, try it with 20, try it with 55, try. And he goes, Oh, that's cute. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, that probably just works for two digit numbers. And I go, no, no, it's working for all of them. If you try 150, one plus five plus zero is six. 150 minus six is 144. And that answer, 144, adds up to nine. And he goes, Oh, wow, that's interesting. Well, good luck. With that. Well, and that's it. So I'm like, I'm calling my math friends. I'm like, hey, what is this pattern called? Who discovered it? When did they discover it? What purpose does it serve? I couldn't find anything. And it took me two years, and I figured out that that's why I have all my curriculum now is to help kids learn this pattern. However, everything goes back to the number nine. Well, I'm consumed with that since 1999, right? I go home in 2020 for COVID. My dad had passed after a little while. And I'm working on this basketball project, and that's where it hits. In the research, we found the name of the first basketball team ever was called the Herkimer Nine. I'm born in Herkimer and I'm freaking out about the number nine. And the first basketball team ever was called the Herkimer Nine. I couldn't believe it. And the reason was it was a baseball team with nine kids. Yes. And they were trying to figure out a way to stay in shape during the winter. And so they invented basketball and they played a game. And so that's how that all started. So now here I am going, oh my gosh, what are the odds? I'm in my hometown, and the first team was called the Hercomer Nine. I'm trying to help kids with the nine. And now this thing. And so that really sucked me in even farther. And now, five years later, to paraphrase everything, we published a book called Nay's Myth, M-Y-T-H, Basketball Stolen Legacy. And it lists all the evidence to show the things that happened in Hercomer to prove that a game happened before Springfield. And all the things that Springfield and the Naismith family and that whole crew have done to keep this story out of the news for over a hundred years. And so that has been the battle I've been with for five years now is getting Herkimer and Lambert Will, this 15-year-old kid from the Hercomer YMCA in 1891, recognized by Springfield in the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame. And it's quite contentious to say the least.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Does he have um errors?

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Yeah, oh, it's great. So uh this team. Yeah, I started this basketball team to help tell our story. There's a league in America called the ABA. When we were growing up, it was Dr. J.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

The Red, White, and Blue Basketball. Well, that shut down in 1976. NBA bought it, and they shut down all the ABA teams except they absorbed four of them. And in 1999, um

The Originals Team And Where To Find Him

SPEAKER_00 46:17

1999. A guy, yeah, crazy. Joe Newman licensed the ABA from the NBA and restarted the league. Today, there are over 100 teams in the ABA using the red, white, and blue basketball playing in smaller markets around the country. And so I put in for a franchise to get a team for Herkimer.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Um, about a month later, I get a call and I'm on the golf course with Alice, of course. On the golf course a lot. It's good. Over 3,000 rounds of golf together, 34 years. And um uh I get off the phone, Joe says, Scott, we got you a team. You're in. You're in, you're gonna be in this season. I'm all excited. I hang up, I say, Alice, I just got a franchise in the ABA. And he'd been listening to everything all along, so he knew it was up. And he hits his shot and he goes, You know what? You gotta call him the originals. Because you had the first game, the first rim, first net. You got to call him the originals.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

He hits his shot, he walks over to the cart, and on the scorecard, he writes, Herkimer Originals, and he makes the O look like a rim and a net. And he goes, There's your name and your logo. You're welcome. 10 seconds. That's Alice, right?

SPEAKER_02 47:28

That is him.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

And now we just finished our fifth season. We have played in a million-dollar basketball tournament on Fox Sports. We've played in front of, you know, all over the country. And this team has really helped get our story out there. So yeah, it's been quite consuming, Camp, you know, between the charity of revitalizing Main Street Hercomber using this basketball story where it happened. Right. And it's in a rough spot right now. So we're using that. And we just got a $10 million grant from New York State. Uh, a lot of positive movement. So it's taken some time to get it going. I'm not I'm not good with politicians or people like that. I'm very blunt. Yes. And so, you know, a little awkward at first. I might have pushed some people a little far.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

You need Jeff for that. Jeff's good at all. I know.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

It's a gift, it's a skill set. I just didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Yeah. We all have different ones, but you are amazing for your mathematician skills. Absolutely amazing. So, what's next for you, and where can people find you?

SPEAKER_00 48:22

So, my website is humancalculator.com, and you can find all this stuff there. Uh, Herkimer Originals are all under at Herkimer OGs. We're the OGs, you know. Okay. Uh, but the foundation is called the Herkimer Nine Foundation. If you want to support us in any way you can there, it's uh we're gonna we're you got the team, we do all kinds of basketball camps, and we're you know, trying to become the Cooper's town of basketball. Oh, there you go. So that's that's uh a lot of work. And um, you can learn more about the national counting be at the human calculator website as well. Um and all I can say, Kim, is uh I appreciate you seeing as my friend the enthusiasm that I put into math and numbers and how much it means to me, especially the kids. Thank you. So yeah, it's really uh it's a dream come true to have a God-given ability and use it for good.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

Yes, yes, that's why we're all here, hopefully. Hopefully, right? Pay it forward.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

Pay it forward. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

Yes, yeah. Well, thank you, Kim.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Thank you. And now, not to freak you out a little bit, but I do have a little surprise for you that you didn't notice, and I never brought up to you until now, because you introduced me to Chris at ESPN, yes, which was very special to me. You know how Chris Berman, yeah, boomer, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:32

He loves me.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

And so you're forever, I'm forever indebted to you for helping me bridge that. Good. But just so you know, if you look at your name, guess how many letters are in Kim Alexis?

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Probably nine.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

There are nine.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

So doo doo doo doo.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

I love it. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

Yeah, oh, that was great. I love it. Thanks for watching the show. If you have any questions for me or you want any more information, go to kim Alexis.com.