360 POUNDS VS 500 COVERS: SUPERMODEL AND RADIO HOST GET REAL

Welcome And Quick Setup

SPEAKER_03 0:04

Hi, I'm Kim Alexis. Today in Paris, Dr. Kelly is showing his collection of spring clothes. Hi, I'm Kim Alexis with your ticket to adventures. I'm Kim Alexis, and I'm here in New York City. Got a great show coming up for you, so stay tuned. So I love it. You were such a um, you you are still such a uh radio presence. And I just want to dive into your life because there have been so many changes. You dreamt about being a radio host, but you didn't start out that way. So can you dive in a little bit of where you grew up, what you were thinking when you were young? Your dreams took a while to come true.

Growing Up Between Countries

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Um, so I I don't look it, but I am half Mexican. My mother's Mexican from Mexico.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Came to this country in the 60s, and my father's from the Netherlands. So I came out looking more like my dad. Uh, but my mother, uh, I mean, you know, dark skin, black hair. Uh, so I lived in Mexico. It's my first language. Uh, I grew up in Mexico, I grew up in Tucson, moved to Chandler, moved back and forth to Mexico a lot. Every summer was in Mexico. Uh, lived in New Mexico, um, uh a little bit of Los Angeles, San Diego, but mostly Arizona, uh, moved around a lot. So I think when it one of the things I noticed when I talked when I watch interviews or talk to people that have positions in the media, a lot of them moved around a lot. And and and I think part of the reason is that that we do what we do is because I think you have to learn to make friends really fast. Right. So like seven sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, and uh, I was in a different school every every year. No. It's terrible, right? Especially 10th grade, 11th grade, and 12th grade were the where I was in a different school every year, and that was tough.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

So you were an extrovert or are you an introvert?

SPEAKER_00 1:51

I think I'm an introvert, but you have to make friends fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Right. So uh, and that's I think that served me well in radio because when you crack open the mic, you only have a short amount of time. Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

And they're your best friend for that moment.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Yeah, you got to get people to like you right away. So it's kind of a like a I feel like it really it was all this training for me in radio.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

But you'd

Copying DJs And Finding A Voice

SPEAKER_03 2:10

lay in bed at night and say, I want to be on the radio.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

I would tape. Um my dad got a my my grandfather died, and my dad inherited $400. And he bought he bought a ra uh stereo with a cassette thing in it. And I used to This is dating you, you know. I know, I know. But I used to, I used to record Casey Case him.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

And I would on Sundays, and I would rewind, and I would, I would try to practice how he announced the songs. American Top 40 Case. I didn't do I didn't do like uh this is Casey Case him. I would just be like, okay, that's Huey Lewis in the news, you know, and it's it's 10 45 in the morning, that's Huey Lewis in the news, and I would practice that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

And then with what, a banana?

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Yeah, a banana, my sister's hairbrush, a curling iron, or and then my dad got me this plug-in microphone, and I would, and then I would uh be able to actually talk on the the speakers, it would project out in the speakers in the living room, right? So I would kind of pretend to be like an announcer, and then I had my friends come over and we would crank call people on the speaker. I mean, it was stupid, but I'm talking about eighth grade, ninth grade. Right.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

Well, you had to make friends, so you had to do crank calls or whatever. You didn't steal cars though, did you?

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Never stole cars. Never still, I mean, lots of practical jokes, but never stole cars.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

All right, so then you graduate high school. Did you go and talk to your uh counselor and say, I want to be in radio, so I don't need to go to college?

SPEAKER_00 3:31

No, you take so you take this test in high school. So I grew up in Chandler. This is where I had this weird, I grew up in Chandler High, and then we moved in in 11th grade, I moved to Los Angeles, went to school there. 12th grade went to San Diego. So in San Diego, where I graduated from high school from, I'm not really friends with anybody from there anymore. All my friends are still from 10th grade here in Chandler. Right. But when I took the tests, you know, your whatever it is you want to do for a living. Those tests, they tell you what your career path is gonna be. I'm not kidding you. I was supposed to be a garbage man. That was that was my that's what they told me.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

That's what I would threaten my sons when they wouldn't do homework.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

My mom thought I was gonna work at a gas station. Not if there's anything wrong with the gas station.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Sorry, sorry, garbage people.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

You're very needed. We love you.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

So that was what my career path, according to the tests I took at high school at Claremont High, where Kim Kardashian's mom went, Chris Kardashian went to the high school, way before me, but she went to the high school.

unknown 4:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

In fact, my high school that I graduated from, Claremont High, is the high school that Fast Times of Ridgemont High was about.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Oh, is that movie? No. You don't remember that movie? No. Fast Times of Richmond High? I didn't see it. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Sorry. I don't know what I was doing, but I didn't see it. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Well, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Was that your favorite movie?

SPEAKER_00 4:46

It wasn't my favorite movie, but it was just uh a place that was my high school was famous for that movie.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

Ah my high school was famous for nothing.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Where'd you go where'd you go to high school?

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Outside of Buffalo, New York.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

A little town called Lockport, yeah. The Erie Canal would go through there and they had locks, so the boats would rise and fall with the water.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Oh, that's nice.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

Yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Cold?

SPEAKER_03 5:07

Very cold. Very beyond cold.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

We'll get into that. But um, so your first entry.

College Radio Break Then Fired

SPEAKER_03 5:15

So now you're in San Diego, you say. So what did you you didn't go to college?

SPEAKER_00 5:19

I went to San Diego State. Oh, you did? I got into San Diego State because I'm half Mexican. Because I wouldn't have got in with my grades and my sat my SAT scores. It was terrible. Okay. So because I was on paper, Mexican, Hispanic, I got into the school.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

And uh I did they look at you and say, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

They never looked at me. It was all paperwork. And so I I got into the school and I was a telecom major. I was trying to major in film. Uh I really liked making movies, and I thought I'd go that way. But there was a college radio station there called KCR. And a buddy of mine said, there was a flyer. Remember back in the day when they had flyers, it was on the poll, and it said they're looking for radio DJs. And my friend said you should try it.

SPEAKER_04 5:57

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

And so I was like, okay. So I ripped off the thing. I called and they said, Come on in. And I I went and did it like an audition. It was on a Friday night. Oh, and uh, it was old school because now nowadays everything's digital, but it was like knobs. They do the radio.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

And so I got the You had to adjust knobs and be on the radio?

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Yeah, I had to do the knobs and I had to learn how to play the song. And and I got so you know, you're in this little room and there's no feedback.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

So I don't I don't know if anyone's listening. So I remember the the program director gave me a list of songs to play, and I was really into John Cougar at the time.

SPEAKER_04 6:31

Okay, cruel him.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Right? So I was like, I put on a John Cougar song, and like all of a sudden the light starts flashing, and I pick it up, and it's the boss. He's like, Why are you playing that song? That's not a song you're supposed to play. I was like, Oh, I didn't know it was listening. So I took the record and I went like that whole thing, and I go, I don't know how that song got on there. And he calls me back, goes, That was great, man. That was great how you did that. And I was like, Really? You ruined the you thought that was great, and then he's like, Yeah, that was so natural. So he gave me this little bit of positive feedback, so it kind of like pumped me up a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_03 7:01

Right, develop this monster person. Yeah, maybe you're so much more comfortable at the radio. You keep moving your mic. Am I supposed to be moving my mic? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

I move around a lot, I got problems. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

I just want to know if I need to be moving mine too.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Like, I just move around, I move around too much. I think everyone complains. In our radio studio, we have cameras on us now. That's how you have to do radio now, just cameras on us and they're filming everything. And apparently I move way too much. Oh, I have a camera that fought, they have it so it follows me. And sometimes I get up and it, I mean, it spins. I got two cameras on me at all times.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

I'm the opposite. So I would sit there and do covers of magazines, and then they would check a focal point from the camera with a tape to my nose to see if I stayed in focus. And we're doing Vogue covers and things and Cosmo covers, right? I never moved. So my plane this way from my face would always be on the same plane.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Wow. So but I mean, like you're like legit pro. Like, I'm not, like, I don't really know what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

In fact, if you had long hair, it would be all over the place right now.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Yeah, I mean, I don't even know how to be interviewed. I mean, I'm not used to this.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

Yeah, you're waiting for the next question. No, I just killing you. All right, what is the next question? So then you went, so you did this in San Diego, but you how how'd you get into sales?

SPEAKER_00 8:17

So uh I did the radio show, the the college radio shift, right? So I did it that Friday. There was this really pretty girl in school, my psychology class. Her name was Johnette. So my name's John Jay, her name is Johnette, and I bumped into her at a club in Mexico and I was I had a crush on her. Right. And so she we started flirting, and she said she was one we were set up a date to go out. And that date to go out was my was my shift. It was a Friday night shift, and I blew off my shift to go out with her, and I got fired. Right. So like my third week on the radio, I get fired, and I was like devastated. But Kim, I did get so to me, as I look back in life, you didn't make any little Johnettes. No, no Johnette's. And then her and I broke up. She started sleeping with the quarterback of the San Diego State football team. It's a whole and I was on the rowing team. It turned into a whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

You were on the rowing team?

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Yeah, I was on the rowing team in college, San Diego State. That was another bet. Somebody bet me to go on the rowing team. So I did that for a couple years.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

Were you 155 pounds?

SPEAKER_00 9:16

183. I'm about 245 right now. I was 183 when I was on the rowing team.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

So, yeah, my sister did that at Cornell and met her husband that way, and he got down to 155 and he's 6'2.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Holy smokes. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

After he was done with that race, he went completely bananas eating like all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Yeah, you know what's funny because I my my son plays basketball in college, and and I wish I knew then what he knows now about nutrition. Because back then it was it was 1986, 87, 88. I was just eating whatever. Yes. And then, you know, the exercise was insane, and I was in phenomenal shape. If I knew my proteins and my carbs and all that stuff and when to eat, I think I would have been a whole different athlete.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Do you remember Body by Jake? Of course I do. I did his first video with him. You did? Yes. So I became this fitness person because I was never a super skinny model. So I kind of decided, okay, I'm not a super skinny model. I'm sick of people telling me and the women zipping my skin in the dresses and stuff, and Valentino saying, You don't fit in my clothes because my waist wasn't thin enough, right? So I said, Well, hell, I'm just gonna start running marathons. So I literally on a bet ran a marathon. I figured it out the night before, and I'm like, I can do this. It's only 26.2 miles.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

The night before the marathon?

SPEAKER_03 10:33

Yep. I ran in four hours 30 minutes with a friend of mine.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

And how sore were you after that?

SPEAKER_03 10:38

Uh pretty sore. Pretty sore. Couldn't walk up and down stairs. Your calves get super sore. Um, and then I started, I was a spokesperson in New York City for the New York City Marathon, and I just had a baby, and so six months later I ran to the New York City Marathon.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

So how many marathons have you done? Eight. Holy smokes.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

But for some reason, your calves get super sore. But you'd be running, and I'm like, I can't even walk up that curb. Like you see a curb or something. I was trying to cut corners in Harlem because they were like, go blondie. And I'm like, oh my god, I gotta get out of here. Back then Harlem was bad, right? And so I'm like trying to cut up, and I'm like, I know that I would trip if I had to like try to step up that curb because your thigh muscles were so simple.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

But you did Body by Jake then did the marathons?

SPEAKER_03 11:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

But when you were Body by Jake, were you you were the model for Body by Jake? Or you were doing the program?

SPEAKER_03 11:31

His very first video.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Because he's famous for celebrities, right? He was training the celebrities.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

And it was his first video. This was back like early 80s, I think, late 70s. I started. And so for some reason, I got asked to do that with him. And we did this silly little video, and neither one of us knew what we were doing. And it was kind of fun though.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Is he still around?

SPEAKER_03 11:53

Yeah. I heard, I saw a picture of somebody. Oh, I was in an airport, and some guy said, Yeah, keep running into celebrities. I handed him my card with my new, my new uh show on it. And he's like, Oh, can I have your picture too? And he showed me Body by Jake. So we ran into him in an airport. Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Well, I never ran a marathon, but I was on the rowing team.

SPEAKER_03 12:12

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you want to run a marathon now. No. Oh. Anyways. All right. So Johnette. Wait. Oh God. Said her name?

SPEAKER_00 12:20

My wife's gonna, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

You brought her in. I didn't bring her.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

So how did you get into sales then?

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Oh yeah, I didn't get into sales.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

So

Promotions Hustle And Sales Reality

SPEAKER_03 12:30

10 minutes later.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

So to get into sales, I got I got so I got uh um I loved radio. I loved it so much. And there was a um uh in the in the media room, there was a flyer, an ad for an intern.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

You like flyers.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Well, I always I'm always looking I was always looking for opportunity, looking for jobs. And there was a flyer for an internship at a TV station in San Diego. So I applied for that and I got that. And I was an intern at a TV station for six months, and it was boring.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

What do interns do? Empty the garbage?

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Empty the but I I would empty the garbage if they didn't ask me. I was hustling, I was always hustling, I would empty the garbage, but I would I would write a copy for them for the news anchors, and I would I would write the promos for what was coming up like tonight on KG TV Channel 10. And I was like, wow, that was my script that the voice guy did. And I was doing that for it, but it was so boring. Then there was uh um an opportunity for a radio station uh intern at an alternative radio station called 91X, and I was a promotion, I got that job, but it wasn't a job, I was a promotion intern. And so that's where I set up the banners. I drove the van, it was I sprayed the stickers on people, the tattoos on people, and I'd go to the clubs and put the posters up, and I would give out you know, the sticker stops, and I would drive the DJs around, and I looked at who was making the money, and the people that had the best cars was the morning show personality and the salespeople. They had the BMWs and the Mercedes-Benz's.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

And you liked nice cars.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

And I well, I was just like, that's where the money is, so how do I follow the money?

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

So that's when after I was in in uh the promotion intern, I got a job, my first job, for a sports station in promotions where I was the promotion coordinator. I was kind of I had a little bit, it was I was making 16.5 and I was in, I was so I was getting paid a little bit of money, and it wasn't enough. So not enough for someone my car got repossessed. No, yeah, I was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

So wait, are you still going to college?

SPEAKER_00 14:12

I'm still going to college when this is happening.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Yeah, did you get a degree?

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Yeah, in film and telecommunications. Uh and so I I'm in promotions and a uh I became friends with my my roommate, he was a sales manager. So my roommate lived in South Mission Beach. He had a condo on the beach, and he said to me, You can live here um and I'll charge you 200 bucks a month, is what he was gonna charge me.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Um and he goes, But can you introduce me to some girls?

SPEAKER_03 14:38

Were you the girl magnet?

SPEAKER_00 14:39

No, no, but I was the guy, I was 20 years old, and I was driving the van, and oh, I was the young guy, and there were girls everywhere all the time.

SPEAKER_03 14:46

Were there girls on the radio that you got to like yeah?

SPEAKER_00 14:49

It was fun like that. Okay, and I was 20 and he was 30. Fringe benefits. Yeah, so I would go to the club. I'd be hey, I'm at a club, you know, and right down the street, and and and there's a lot of girls here. So he would come by and he would hang out, and it was it worked out, it worked out great.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

Are you still buddies with him?

SPEAKER_00 15:05

I I mean kinda.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

Is he still there?

SPEAKER_00 15:09

He's married, he's married, doesn't have kids, but you know, he's he's high maintenance.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Oh well, he found his own wife.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Yeah, yeah, he's been married for a long time. He's a good human being. Um, so I got so I uh he set up an opportunity for me to be interviewed uh at a hip hop station, and I got I interviewed the hip hop station to be a salesperson.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

So your resume reads like three months here, three months here, three months.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Three months, six months in in different radio stations. But then when I got into sales, I was that's where I met my wife at the hip-hop station. She was uh in the the hip-hop station, also had a Mexican station, and she was a salesperson for the Mexican station, and I was a salesperson for the hip-hop station. And so her and I connected there. Okay, and I was a terrible, terrible salesperson.

SPEAKER_04 15:54

Really?

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Yeah, I I I didn't understand sales, but I I I became friends with the clients. So the clients would buy time with me because they liked me, not necessarily that the radio station did its job, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:07

So But that's a salesman, that's a successful salesman.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

And then I got hired away from there to a uh a hot ace, like a soft, like a sunny, you know what I mean? Like a like what like a yacht rock would be called yacht rock now. And I got hired away there, and that was really mellow. And I and I I remember that job was paying me about $36,000 a year. And then I got hired away to a jazz station, and I was selling jazz at a jazz station, and that was 95, 96. And I remember my big year there was I made $42,000 a year there.

SPEAKER_03 16:38

And that that does not define a person, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

No, I know, but when but when you're when you're 22, 23 years old, it's important. And you're hustling, and I'm a first-generation American citizen, and I'm trying to, you know, outperform my parents. I'm trying to do everything that my dad was a tour guide. So my dad spoke seven languages and he drove her. He took people around the country, very, very successful tour guide. And then my mother, my mother, you know, she worked at Burger King. She was the drive-thru Burger King here in Chandler for a long time. Oh, and then she was a stay-at-home mom a lot. She was amazing. But so I I get this job at the jazz station, and I'm just not happy. I buy a condo on the beach in South Mission Beach.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Um, my wife uh says to me, she goes, I got, you know. So you're married now. I'm married. I'm not dating, I'm dating. Okay. I mean, we're engaged, but I and I'm a salesperson and I'm not I'm not happy. And she's like, Well, what do you want to do? What I really wanted to do, because I've been in radio so long, I've seen every aspect of radio, but being on the radio was what I really wanted to do. I'd done behind the scenes, I'd done sales, I'd done promotions, I'd seen it all. But being on the radio is what I wanted.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Right, but not announcing songs. Right, not announcing songs, really. He wanted to talk to. Yeah, well, you're good at talking to people.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

And at the jazz station, there was a guy there that thought I was funny, and he was like he ran the radio station. He's like, why don't you write some bits? I remember um Bob Dole was running for president. Remember Bob Dole? Yes. And I would like try to, and I was imitating the people on Saturday Night Live that were imitating Bob Dole. So I'd be like, You can do it, I can do it. The married people can do it. I don't know. I I don't even remember.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

And I would just ask you later to do something.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

I would just do stupid stuff like that for the radio show. And then I got so bored that I would go into the radio station before anybody else, and I would go into the studio and I would grab the newspaper and the classifieds and I would just start crank calling people. And one day a guy was listening and he comes in, he goes, Hey, that was really funny. He goes, What are you doing that for? And I go, just because I'm bored. And so he was like, That was very funny. So when my wife says to me, she's like, We're dating, I mean, we're engaged, she was like, What do you want to do? I go, I I want I want to have my own radio show. I said, But I think that's really hard. Uh and I said, or

Groundlings Improv And First Show

SPEAKER_00 18:40

I'd like to write for Saturday Night Live. And she's like, Well, how do we do that? So I started researching it, and most of Saturday Night Live gets their people from Second City in Chicago or the Groundlings in Los Angeles. And I was in San Diego.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

So I went after the groundlings. She's like, let's go after the groundlings. So I reached out to them. Uh there was an audition, and I've never done anything like that in my life.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

The audition is standing there doing improv?

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Yeah, you go there in this room with people and they call you out.

SPEAKER_03 19:08

Okay, was that freaky?

SPEAKER_00 19:09

It was so freaky because you had to have a headshot and I didn't know what that was. Oh so I went to the movie theater and I took uh I put the money in the thing where they take the three pictures. Yes. And so and I had my manila folder, and everybody, when they pulled out these headshots, were these big headshots. Eight by tens. Yeah, and mine was these little. And I remember the lady's name was Mindy, Mindy Sterling was her name. She's in the um Austin Powers movie. She's the one that goes, she was the lady with the groundlings, and she was like, I couldn't suffer through that movie either, but go.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Oh, you could.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Well, she goes, I remember she was like this when she pulled out my head, she goes, Oh, honey.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

That's what they do. That's my business. Oh, honey.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

And then I'll come to my world. They threw a bunch of stuff out there to do, and I did it. And she was like, This is great, you're in. So I took classes there. Right. And did improv with them for a while. How long was that? I was, I think I did improv with them for about a year. And and then doing the improv classes with them led to, hey, there's a troupe in San Diego that'd like you to perform. So I would my sister went to UCLA, she's lived in LA, she's in Hollywood, she's in documentaries, Netflix deals. She right now she runs Mr. Beast's company. She does a lot of stuff. But back then, she was working for Rescue 911 and she was doing a bunch of stuff for uh Paramount and uh uh Peter Goober, those guys. Yeah, and so I would go and just sleep on her couch and then go do groundlings in the afternoon and all night and do stuff like that, improv with them. So then I was doing an improv troop in San Diego asked me to do some stuff for them. And so I agreed. And at that same time, my old boss, who was running a radio station in Cincinnati, said, We're looking for someone to do a morning show for us. We don't want them to have any on-air experience. We want someone that's just funny. Right. So they flew out and met with me and they thought I was funny. And then uh I they flew me to Cincinnati. I did four day air, four days on the air in Cincinnati. My wife and I got married when I we came to the house. In Cincinnati? No, we got married. We went we got married in the same day. I went on a honeymoon. Right. And when he came back from my honeymoon, excuse me, when we came back from my honeymoon, they told me I got the job.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

So did you know, like when you day one, like when you've had the microphone in front of you, did you feel comfortable?

SPEAKER_00 21:10

I felt I loved every second of it. I wasn't comfortable. You weren't just like I'm not comfortable now.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

I mean, I'm not comfortable now? No, I know why, because I'm asking all the questions.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. But I wasn't I wasn't comfortable, but I loved it. I loved every second of it. Um, and so it was just uh it was an exciting time. So I got the job, and I remember I had to move. Right. I had to move to with a new wife. She stayed back.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah, so what happened?

SPEAKER_03 21:32

She was still.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

She was a salesperson, she's a fantastic salesperson.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

So she's stuck with one job while you're like all over the place.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Yeah, well, I gotta say this money thing. So I told you the most money I ever made was 42,000, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:43

Back then.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Back in i i in the radio sales.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

So uh when they offered me the job, like, we know you're a top sales guy.

SPEAKER_04 21:50

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

They said, we know you're a sales guy. We don't have a lot of money. They go, how much do you how much would we take to get you here? And I go, 75. And they go, we have 60. I go, done. I'll take it. So I got myself like a $20,000 raise.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

Right. Well, you needed that $20,000 to commute back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Great. So they told my wife, they said, her management team, when she was going to resign, they said, don't. They said, look, we know your husband, you think he's very talented, but this is a really, really hard position to crack into. We got some bonus structures for you. You have a you're going to be hitting some bonuses in about three months. Why don't you stay here? Let's give him a chance. And if it doesn't work out, you know, maybe we can find a place for him here too in sales. Uh-huh. That's what they said. So three months goes by, and that must have been hard. It was really hard. But especially because they're like pretty much saying we don't think he's going to make it.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

Right. Right. But and and and And you're in Cincinnati with snowy.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

And she, I love that. That was amazing. I never had. Yeah, because I'd never been around the the the four seasons. It was always San Diego or Phoenix. Right. It was always great weather. It was just sunny all the time.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Okay, I'm from Buffalo. Believe me, you get very over the snow.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Well, I got over pretty quick. And I don't know, like uh the gray days and but we I was in Cincinnati for like three months on my own. I got a dog, and then she would come out at Christmas, and and eventually she moved out there and it worked out well.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

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SPEAKER_00 23:39

Well, that's it. So we went through the infertility stuff for a long time. Oh okay a long time. And then I was pretty successful in Cincinnati and they couldn't nobody could they couldn't beat me in Cincinnati. My none of my competitors. I was crushing everybody.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

What was the name of your show?

SPEAKER_00 23:54

It was called the John Jay Morning Show.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

It was the John J.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Morning Show. And uh the country station there, which used to be number one, um, hired me out of Cincinnati to go to Houston.

Houston Money Trap And Loss

SPEAKER_00 24:05

So I went to Houston, and that's where uh and I I hate they always talk about money, but it's such a big part. That like the the income.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

So it was a motivator for you.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

It was crazy. I learned a valuable lesson. It was it was a crazy, crazy amount of money for me to go from Cincinnati to Houston. Um, so much so where I I needed advice, and that's when I got lawyers and stuff involved, right? I didn't and that's when I realized a valuable lesson is I will never ever ever take a job for money again.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

So that's why Because it's not the money, it's what you should be doing, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:36

And it's your quality of life and it's how your happiness. And we were in Houston for four years, and it was a nightmare. It was terrible. So your wife went with you there. She went with well, she went with me to Cincinnati. She got a job in Cincinnati, she became a top producer in Cincinnati as sales, and then we went to Houston. And in Houston, that's where we went through all this infertility. She got pregnant with twins, twin girls. Uh on Valentine's Day, they were we were 28 weeks pregnant. They were um one was stillborn, and then they had to have emergency surgery, and one lived for nine days. Oh no, so it was sorry. It was this terrible, yeah, terrible situation. It was in the year 2000 on Valentine's Day. We had twin girls, so they didn't make it. Oh, and then it was like struggling to do country, uh, doing a my show on a country radio station, and they were like, This is not what you you can't do. This you can't do the stuff you're doing on country, which now they do all that stuff on country radio now all the time.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

What was wrong with it?

SPEAKER_00 25:29

It was just it was too top 40. You know, country back then was cowboy hats and chewing tobacco and horses, and now Jesus. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And now country is this, if you want it to be, right? The country singers look normal. Right. There's no, I mean, the classics like Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks, they'll wear a cowboy hat, but the new singers, you know, right, they're just hanging out. Right Spentley, mustache, cold plunge, no, no cupboard.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Tennis shoes, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

There's like normal guys. But I was trying to do that 25 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

So then I was there. So we we we we were there for four years, and then um a new company came in and bought the radio station out, and then they didn't want to hire

Bought Out Then A Fresh Start

SPEAKER_00 26:08

me. They didn't want to keep, they bought out my contract.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

That happens, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Kind of a foo foo way of saying you're fired, but you're not fired. They want to pay you to not come in.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

But that was a blow to my ego. Oh, it was, yeah, because I liked doing the the show, and they were paying me to not do my show.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Right? So I was uh just sitting around doing nothing for a while.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Uh oh. I can't see that with all the energy you've got. Yeah, it was it must have driven your wife crazy.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

It was funny because uh my neighbors, I had I was got into remote control cars and I was playing with remote control cars in my driveway, and I had ramps set up, and I was and my neighbors like, you gotta get that guy a job.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

And did you still have your dog?

SPEAKER_00 26:45

We had another dog now. We had two English Bulldogs at the time. We didn't have kids.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

We're English bulldogs. Okay, they don't chase anything.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

No, no, they just sit around. But so we got in an RV with the dogs and drove around the country, and I got a job. I we got I I got a lot of job. What do you got? Well, no, a lot of other radio stations when they heard I was free. I got a call from DC, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco. I am 27, 28, I think. Yeah. And then um I I learned a lesson. Like I said, I would never take a job for money. And the people in Tucson called me, and there was a legendary radio station, Tucson could care, Q. Carson Daly was from there, Jimmy Kimmel was from there. Um, a lot of well-known personalities came from that radio station, and they said, We'd like to have you here. You can do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_03 27:32

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

We we will leave you alone. And it was for a lot less money.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

And I was like, For how many hours did you get?

SPEAKER_00 27:38

It was a five hour, it's a five-hour show. Five to ten. Five hours? My show is five to ten every day in the morning.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

How do you talk for five hours? Well, I play some songs, you know. Oh my goodness. Some people are born for certain things. There's no way I wouldn't know what to do for five hours.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Oh, well, it was it was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 27:54

Well, you still love it.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

I still love it. Yeah, I just I'm I'm in the beginning, I'm in month two of a new five-year contract right now. Oh here. But I did that show. Uh, I brought I met my partner Rich, brought Rich in from Dallas, and Rich and I moved to Tucson.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

How'd you meet him?

SPEAKER_00 28:08

I met him uh through Dr. Phil. Remember Dr. Phil?

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

We were at a radio convention in New Orleans, and my wife and I had lost the babies, and I was spending, I was used to spend all this time at the radio station. I was at the radio station all the time. And after the babies were born, she really needed me. Yes. And so I needed somebody that could do the rest of what I was doing. So I could go home at 10 or 11 after the show and be with her.

SPEAKER_04 28:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

So I went to a radio, I was speaking at a radio convention on a country seminar panel. And um I would there was a Dr. Phil had a panel the next day, and so I was asked to go to that panel. And when I went, I sat next to Rich's agent, and I was there looking for somebody. I said, I'm looking for somebody because I can't do it all by myself.

SPEAKER_03 28:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

And so he introduced me to Rich and him and I hit it off.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Immediately. Immediately.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Then he came, he stayed a couple days with me. He was in Dallas. I was in Houston, he stayed with me in Houston for a while, and we just gelled, we walked around the block for a while, parks and talked for a little bit, and then we cut a demo tape and we sent it out, and we got all these offers everywhere. And then Tucson happened, and so we went to Tucson.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

And he didn't mind moving.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

He didn't mind at all. He was, you know, was he married? No, he had a girlfriend.

SPEAKER_03 29:13

Okay. Does did he like your wife?

SPEAKER_00 29:15

He liked my wife. They everyone liked, and then we and then he he moved to Tucson with me and he got engaged to her, brought the girl down. They got married and had a family.

SPEAKER_04 29:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

Um, and then we went through the process.

Raising Boys And Family Stories

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Eventually, had my wife and I have three boys now. Oh yeah, it's it's and it's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

I have three sons also.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Oh, you do? Isn't it the best? Yeah, yeah, it's just the best.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

And it's curious, then as a mom, then you're probably really desensitized to a lot of stuff, right?

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Because my wife is one of three girls, and it's a whole different ball game, boys and girls.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

Exactly. I know. So we'll be driving, and I see motorcycles and they're right going by. I'm like, oh dear lord, take care of them because that mother does not know that her son is going 100 and something miles down the highway, right? And I'm telling you, mother of boys, you don't want to know some of that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

I know.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

You just don't.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

You know, so right now it's spring break, and my youngest son is visiting his middle brother who lives in Hawaii. And the middle brother let it leak that they were gonna go skydiving. Oh. And mom is having a meltdown right now. Meltdown.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Tandem, though, at least.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

I mean, you as a mom, so what is how like what's the age difference in your in your boys?

SPEAKER_03 30:25

I have uh the the oldest, and then three years later, and then remarried, so I have a a different father for my third son, and he was five years after.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Are they close?

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Yes, they're all pretty close. And my oldest is gonna be 40 in a couple weeks. Wow. 40. Wow, I can't believe my youngest had a baby. So I'm a grandma.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Wow, a grandma supermodel.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

Yeah, he's so cute.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Wow, he's so cute.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

I'm telling you, you think your kids are great, and then you have a little grandson, and he's eight months, and just starting to be able to tease him and get like reactions out of him, and I'm a big reaction guy in the face, and I that's why I could never act. I was always overdoing it, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Is it awesome be being a because like I'm at that point where I miss the toddler ages of my kids.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

I know what good ages it is. Because I was like so innocent.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

I was like working so much, and I feel like I missed. And I I was very active in my parenting, yeah, but I still miss it so much, and I feel like I left things out. So I'm kind of like, yeah, hopefully, when that grandparent time comes, you get to spend all that time.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

Well, you're well, I guess if your middle son's in Hawaii, you may not see him as much. My son, grandson, uh all my sons are in Jacksonville, so they're far away. So months go by and the little guys change so much. Wow. So yeah, I'm due to go back and see him because he last time I saw him, he had two teeth, now he has four.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

So, as a boy mom, what what did your kids do? Uh did they ever do anything to get in trouble? Like, do you can you recall?

SPEAKER_03 31:56

Not bad, but we'd have like a golf cart and we had a pool house. And so when they were in their teens and they're drinking, and you know, my husband at the time was out and traveling, and um it's two in the morning, and I'm like, I want to go to sleep, and am I supposed to collect the car keys? And what are they doing out there? And it the pool house had a bedroom that had a door on it, had to take the door off. And I would go out and I'd look in all the kitchen cupboards, and there's all these empty beer bottles. I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, but they would take the golf cart at like two in the morning and egg other people's cars, and then some guys stop the truck and like beat them up. And um, they tell me the next morning, I'm like, I don't want to know these things.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Yeah, we got the golf cart. We've had the golf cart flip over, broken arms, uh, uh, friends with broken arms.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

I didn't have three sons. I never had a broken bone, and I've never had them have tattoos.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Oh, so far, no tattoos for us. That's crazy. But broken bones, yes. Yeah. We've had that. Yeah, yeah. We had the the youngest one. Um, we found out that he was sinking out the doggy door, going to girls' houses.

SPEAKER_03 33:02

Oh, the doggy door.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

Well, you needed a big door for your bulldog, right? Yeah. A wide one.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Yeah, it was he was missing one morning. My wife like got the, you know, now with social media, you know, you have all you can see the alerts and you see this thing. And then we have the cameras everywhere, and you can see him like slotting, like trying to avoid the cameras by the garage. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

And then I didn't have any of that.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

It's no, I have none of that.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

I didn't have any of those keys. I kind of just, I don't know. You kind of like that means you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

So that means there's things you don't know about.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Have they told you you don't want to know?

SPEAKER_00 33:34

So you don't want to know still.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Oh, I don't want to know some of that stuff. We found stuff because you know they're good kids. You you raise them a certain way. Yes, they did do stuff.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

We found video of them on the golf cart in the golf course, uh, pulling a sled and just fishtailing up and down the golf course while some guy just kids just go flying across the room, just like crazy stuff, right? Yes, and then the drinking, we found the videos of them drinking.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Yeah, those are those jackass videos. And my I'm like, wait, what's a jackass? And they'd show me, and I'm like, oh no. And all these stupid kids want to do all the same things, right? Yeah, and they dream up the mine. Would you remember the razors, those little razor scooters? Okay, yeah. So in Florida, there was a one-car or a single-story garage, right? Where the garage, I guess, are all single story. They'd get up on top of the garage, take the razor, zip it down, and fly into the pool.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Wow, that's great. And no broken bones. No, lucky you.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_00 34:31

No. Do what about uh girlfriends? Did you like the wives? Did you like the girlfriends? Did you ever have any of that stuff?

SPEAKER_03 34:36

Only my youngest is married.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Really? Yeah. But did you like the other girlfriends?

SPEAKER_03 34:41

Um, yes. And there's one son who needs to make a commitment, and I've liked a lot of them, and he has decided that he wasn't, he just can't make up his mind. And then the other one's been with the same one since they were 17. So that's awesome. Oh it's like either do it or something.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Is it hard like when you're like a supermodel and you're going all over the world doing stuff and you have three boys, you gotta leave them alone?

SPEAKER_03 35:04

Well, I had nannies. I had nannies, and when my first son was born, I'm 25 when I had my first son, so I could take him with me a lot of times. So he got to meet like Bob Marley's son, Ziggy, and you know, different things. And he was like, Mom, remember that? And he'd go on set with me when I was in bridal outfits. So you'd get filmed in a bridal outfit. Remember how they'd have the big long dresses, right? And they'd have you on the white paper. They'd pin you to the paper. So I would have I wouldn't be able to move, and my son would come up to me, and there were a couple shots that were great where it was like him coming up, and but then of course I lost them because you give them to the PR or different uh TV stations or something that are doing stuff and they're supposed to hand you the package back and be like, Oh, I don't know where it went. Oh I know, I know. Yeah, but there's really neat stuff. He my oldest got to do quite a lot with me.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

I love that you're boy mom.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

I know, a real boy mom. Yeah, I wouldn't know what to do with the girls. I'd be like, well, it's funny. Stop your crying.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

My wife's blood, you know, all sisters, right? And so it it's different. And it's like I remember when her and I, like, if there was like for example, being a boy mom, you're used to farting jokes, dick jokes, and the the crudest jokes ever. It just happens, right? Like you're totally desensitized to me. And I've seen her evolve, and I just love it how nonetheless that now so many things you have to grab. Yeah, she just accept it, just go with it. Right.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Or she or the Yes, I do that still.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

And everything was a game. So I'd say, could you please throw this out, right? Piece of paper or something. They'd like roll it up in a ball and make point systems, and like, okay, if you hit mom in the forehead, that's five points. And if you like kick it across from the cat doesn't catch it, that's ten points. It's like, wait, what? It's garbage, throw it in the garbage.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

That's classic. Or any of them athletes?

SPEAKER_03 36:54

Oh yeah, yeah. Yep. They uh I was married, my second husband was a uh pro uh ice caterer, ice hockey player, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

So they all played hockey.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Oh wow. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

And I played hockey. I played charity hockey games.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Do they all have their teeth like that?

SPEAKER_03 37:10

Yeah. Yeah. They'd have to wear mouth guards and no broken bones and no broken teeth.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

No. Wow. Way to go, mom.

SPEAKER_03 37:16

I it wasn't me. Wasn't me. Anyways, back to you. Oh, sure. He likes it better when he asks me what to do. Well, you're much more interested. Well, I want to get into okay, obviously you now you got the radio.

Food Culture In Radio And Weight

SPEAKER_03 37:30

When did you start getting into health? Because you and I share another passion, which is is trying to stay young and trying to stay vibrant.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Well, I'll tell you. So being in radio and being on the air, actually, when you're on the radio and behind the scenes, the salespeople and the promotion, there's always food. There was always food there. And then when you're on the radio, there's even more food. So the donut companies and the pizza companies, they got they want to bring you, hey, maybe he'll talk about it. So there's always food. So I got really, really fat.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

While you during the commercials, not while you have talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Yeah, during the commercials. But after the show's over, there's all this food everywhere. So you just always, and then I craft services like or no, just like like restaurants, always bringing you food or events. And and then when you get up, uh as you know now, being part of this, you know, health fitness stuff, that sleep is the most valuable thing in the world. And when you don't have enough sleep, you make bad decisions. Yes. And you're hungry, and you're really not hungry.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

Well, you want energy and you're trying to get it from carbs.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Right. And I never drank coffee, so I would drink Dr. Pepper, I would drink, and I would eat donuts.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Well, you'd probably slow down a couple of things.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

I just started drinking coffee two years ago. Because my doctor told me to, yeah. But but I got so fat. I got to about 360 pounds. No. Yeah, it was huge. And and it was terrible. And I would uh, and then I went on all these diets. I went on the fenfen diet, I went on the cookie diet, I went on all these diets, and I lost a lot of weight. Any gimmick, Atkins, anything that was out there, I did. Did you talk about it on the radio? I did a lot of times on the radio. A lot of the diets, I mean, this is I did stuff before I was even on the radio, but on the radio I did all the diets. And then when the company started paying me to do the go on their diet. So I'd gain a lot of weight, and then I would go on this one diet that was just a fantastic cookie diet was fantastic. Like six cookies a day, and then you could have um all the vegetables you want. And I lost a hundred pounds. And right, and then I started doing hot yoga.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

I didn't hear about that diet.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Oh, it's a great diet.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

It was I run marathons for chocolate chip cookies. That's my quote.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Well, yeah, you can you're doing it the right way. No,

Hot Yoga Grief And Transformation

SPEAKER_00 39:24

it was. But what happened was so in 2007, my dad, who was 66 years old and was in great shape, great shape, died of a massive heart attack. Oh, and I mean, like that symptom dead, like done. And I was freaked out because that guy is the healthiest guy. I mean, that guy watched what he ate and everything. But he had, turns out he had all this cholesterol, he had all this blockage, just took him out. And I was 360 something pounds, and I had three little boys. Right. And I remember I was lying in the playroom and they were crawling on me. Yes, and I realized that, and I was out of breath, and I was like, that's how I'm playing with them. The only way I could play with them is they're crawling on me. Right. And I was like, this has got to stop.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

Yeah, you're not moving around, you're just they're coming to you.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

So I started doing hot yoga, bicker yoga, and I was doing that every day.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

Big guy in the hot yoga room.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Yeah, and I was like, That must have been you must have had puddles. Sweat everywhere was gross. So much sweat. It was so gross. But it really, it really helped me deal with my dad's death a lot. It was like a a moving meditation. It was cleansing. Yeah, it was really beautiful, actually. And I lost all this weight, and I went from 360 to 206 or something like that. And I was, I was just, I was, you know, that they call that skinny fat.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

I was just skinny fat. Pants were falling off me. Right. Um, it was it was weird. Were you limber? Yeah, I was really limber. I was way fat.

SPEAKER_03 40:39

Because most guys are not that limber.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

I was so limber, it was crazy. Yeah, it was great. But then I was like, it was great. I remember trying to, I was showing my sister, look at, look at it, I can touch my toes. Uh and then I just again, you know, kind of lost a little bit. And then I I started lifting weights. I started learning a lot about exercise and body fat. And I remember one time I was getting a massage from a lady, and she was like, I love massaging you. And I was like, How come? She goes, 'cause she had like no muscle tone. She was like, it's just like I can just move you around.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

She actually said that to you?

SPEAKER_00 41:07

Yeah, and I was like, Oh my god. That's shaped fat, right? It was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Right?

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Yeah. So I had, you know.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

So you had people kind of telling you, now you're still after these diets, you're no longer eating the all the fast food and well, I still I would get off the diet, and then I would go to Taco Bell and Burger King and Wendy's.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Yeah, I went, I I fluctuated up until about five years ago, right before I was uh maybe about five years ago during before COVID, I I met this doctor. She's amazing. She's

Biohacking Routines Stem Cells Sleep

SPEAKER_00 41:35

amazing. You should meet her. You would love her.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

Um, her name's Carrie Bordinko, and she got me into like, hey man, she did like you need to get your shit together.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

And so the yo-yo gianting's got to stop. Like, she's just straight. Right. Right. Um, so I sign on with her and I almost see her every day. I heard she has a gym. So I work out at her gym. Okay. She has the hyperbaric chamber, she's got the red light bed, she's got the nurses on staff. Like, I'll walk in and it's like like today. I walked in and I had to get a shot for my my heart. Like, because of my dad, I have I have a lot of the calcium build up my heart.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

So it's like genetic. So but she goes, just because it's genetic, it doesn't mean you're gonna die. There's ways to treat it. Right. You got to get your cardio up. So I'm doing cardio, I'm doing everything I can. So I went in today and it was like, hey, it's Tuesday, you need your shot. Give me my shot. Or next week, I gotta take, I did a blood draw two weeks ago. They do it all there. Right. It's great. So interesting. So for the last five years, I've been pretty stable right around where I'm at now. I I'm about 240, 245. And I sometimes like I'll go away on vacation for a week and I eat a little, you know, let loose a little bit and maybe go to 260, and then I drop it back down again.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

That fast? You gain it.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

I drop it fast. I gain it fast.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

But you gain it fast and loose. You can't really do that. So what it is is it's toxins.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Yes, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

You need to keep cleaning.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

I do this red light bed and it's set on inflammation because inflammation is like the key of everything. So I do the inflammation. I'm I'm really, I try to do as much as I can to stay healthy.

SPEAKER_04 42:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

And I work out every day, no matter what. Every day I lift weight. A little bit of weight. I mean, it's like today I lifted a lot of weight, but every morning I have my routines. I cold plunge a hot tub, I sauna every day. I red light.

SPEAKER_04 43:05

Your poor body.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

I know. I do vitamin drips, I take the NAD shot, I take, I took up my plasma out, I did the plasma thing. I've done it all. You name it. I do stem cells. I love stem cells in Mexico.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

You should come with me sometime.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

I did it years and years and years ago.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Where'd you go?

SPEAKER_03 43:21

Uh somewhere in Tijuana because I lived in uh Orange County for a while.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Oh, you did? Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple clinics there. I had to be 30 years ago. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow, way to go. You're way ahead of the game with the stem cell thing.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

I had to be way ahead with everything because I couldn't eat like you.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Oh, yeah, right. You had. I mean, they were strict on you.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

I mean, I used to have a baked potato. You know what I would put on it? Mustard or lemon juice. Like for the day? No, well, one day I decided I needed just a head of iceberg lettuce lettuce. That was my day. One thing of iceberg lettuce. And my girlfriend came in, she's like, You eating the whole head of lettuce? Because she was from Houston. I'm like, Yeah, it's only. 50 calories. And that was for the day. Yeah, and I'd been swimming five and a half hours a day. I grew up a swimmer, so I used to eat cheesecake before dinner.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

Wait, so this was modeling food.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

So when I was in high school, yeah, I was a swimmer and I swam a ton, and I had to go from 145, 5'10 to supposedly 130. They wanted me to lose 15 pounds. So how do you do that in 1978? There was nothing. There were no diets. There was no talk about this. There were not even really health clubs or health food stores. I mean, this is a long time ago.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

So how do you go from swimming to modeling?

SPEAKER_03 44:38

Uh you starve? But did you go to the muscle weight came off? I was a flyer, so I was a butterfly, so I used to have a few.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

I swam too. I swam in high school too. I swam in high school and uh and water polo.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

Oh, yeah. Water. I was a goaltender once for water polo, not a goaltend.

SPEAKER_00 44:54

Violent violence, especially underwater. But so but how do you go from your swimming? Like how do you get discovered?

SPEAKER_03 45:01

I well, we'll go that into that in my show. Back to questions about you. So I I guess with you, um, all the the different things for health, that's to me something that is so evolving and that's so personal. And I've seen some interviews that you did, and I'm like, I don't even know what that is. And I just finished integrative health as a uh certified health practitioner, and you have said some things, I can't even repeat what it is. I'm like, I don't even know about that. So there's so much out there. Oh, there's so much, so much information out there, and I think there's so many ways to learn about it now. I don't think we should learn from Instagram or some of the socials because there's some strange things out there.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

There's a lot of strange things, and I've done a lot of strange things, and but I also run things by my doctor, the woman I was telling you about. Right. And I've also so I go to the stem cell clinic in Cancun. They just opened one last year in Cabo. It's called ReHealth. And one of the reasons I like this clinic is I I met the scientist behind it, and he's in he's in uh Orange County, is where he's based out of, but he owns the clinic in Cabo and Cancun. And they have all these Harvard-trained doctors that are there, and they're Mexican, and they went, they're it's an amazing clinic. And there's a lot of people that I respect in the medical world that go there for their stem cells. Um, like Dana White, the UFC. Yes, like I know the UFC guys go to Cancell.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

Are they allowed? Or is it he doesn't work? He's retired, isn't he?

SPEAKER_00 46:24

No, Dana White, he owns the UFC. He's the guy. Uh but he he goes to this clinic in in Cancun, and then there's like Tony Robbins goes to this clinic. And and I'm this is all I don't have, I mean, you know, HIPAA rules, so I don't know, but this is stuff I've heard, you know. So these guys go there, and I've heard Gary Brecca. You know the Gary Breca guy? You know who he is?

SPEAKER_03 46:42

I don't dive into him. I haven't really dove.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

But he goes to this clinic. So I started going to this clinic because and my doc the reason I go to the clinic is my doctor, who I trust more than anything, she's changed my life. She said, we got to go here. So I'll go with her. She'll take like five or six patients and I go with her. Okay. And I do the IV drips of I'll get like 250 million stem cells.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

And then I start Whose cells are they?

SPEAKER_00 47:04

They're umbilical cord cells.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

But they're okay. They're not mine. Right. No, no, no. Because back in, can you imagine if like when we had children now? I guess you can save them for your children. Later, yeah, you can still do that too.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

But this is this is where they take the, they do all this is where I'm not educated enough to explain it, but in the in the in the layman's terms, they take umbilical cord cells of a baby and they expand them. So they take they take from one cord, they get billions and billions of cells. So they'll give me 200 million cells. They go into my body. They don't know what they are yet. So if your liver needs to get fixed or your kidney needs to get fixed, it goes in there and it starts repairing things.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Kind of like an adaptogen in a way, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Yeah, yeah, it goes in and does all that stuff. So then there's the NK cells. That's called natural killer cells. Have you heard of these? No. Okay, get this. We are all born with these natural killer cells. But as we get older, they turn into zombie cells. They just don't do anything, they're just dead.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:00

So you go, I went, I take they at they did it here at my clinic here. They take 26 vials of your blood. They try 26. 26, they send them to Orange County. That was fine. They take them to Orange County and they take your NK cells and they wake them up and they expand them, and they got four billion of them. These natural killer cells, what they do is they eat what's not supposed to be in your body. Right. So they've taken microscopic film, and you can see it's like Pac-Ban. Yes. There's a cancer cell, and this freaking NK cell eats it. It's crazy. So two years ago, they put two billion in me. And I froze.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

How do you know? They counted them?

SPEAKER_00 48:37

As they count, they give you, they give you pictures of them. It's crazy. It's so professional, so well done. You get a folder of, I mean, I'm giving you the short version of it, but it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 48:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

So then um, I'm going in April to get the other two billion to keep.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

So um I was Are you sure that you're the are you sure they're yours?

SPEAKER_00 48:53

Yeah, I trust these guys. I trust them. They're the best. I'm telling I bet you I give JJ's killer stuff. You should come with sometime. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

So you think I still have some?

SPEAKER_00 49:01

No, they they're not. Oh, yeah. They'll take you. The ones you're there's they're zombie, they're asleep. So they'll take them.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

Oh, we have to wake them up.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

You wake them up, and then they expand, and then they duplicate them. They make more of them. And they put them in. In a Petri dish? Yeah, they put I'm telling they put in, they put them in an IV drip, and it goes right through your body. I'll see, I'll send you some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 49:17

Do you feel anything?

SPEAKER_00 49:19

That's the problem where I don't have that answer. I don't, I can say, because I I I don't sleep a lot. So I I can tell you I don't take naps.

SPEAKER_04 49:27

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Um, I now sleep about seven hours. I got I'm working on my sleep. I sleep between six to seven hours a night. I was four hours a night.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Phosphodyl serine.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

What's that?

SPEAKER_03 49:36

Phosphodyle serine. That's what it's called. It helps lower your cortisol at night naturally.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Is that a pill?

SPEAKER_03 49:43

It's an amino acid. You can take it to help you sleep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Well, then I need that. And melatonin. What I'm saying is because of that.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

But I didn't prescribe anything.

SPEAKER_00 49:50

Because of the lack of sleep, I don't like I operate. I feel like I'm operating like everyone operates here, and I feel like I operate here.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

I think so.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

Because of the stem cells. I don't know if I feel different, but I'm just moving all the time.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

But you were always that way.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

No, I was lazy and fat. I was lazy. I was lazy and fat. I wouldn't do anything. I watched TV on it.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

This isn't the two the two years of the caffeine that you started two years ago.

SPEAKER_00 50:14

I do the caffeine. The leg going and the leg going my whole life. The the caffeine thing, get this. So my doctor, Carrie Bordigna.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Here it goes again.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

My doctor says, she says, uh she puts me on an 18-hour fast. Right.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

So Oh, how would that go?

SPEAKER_00 50:29

I do it every day.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

What do you don't do an 18-hour fast every day?

SPEAKER_00 50:32

Every day. I might I have a cup of coffee. A cup of coffee at 6 a.m. And then it helps suppress your appetite. That's why she put me on the coffee. Black coffee? Black coffee, nothing in it. I have a cup of coffee at 6 a.m. I might have two cups. I might have one cup with two espresso shots, and I don't eat till one.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

And I go from one to seven. And then one to seven is my window. But then what I started doing is I um I I heard that the earlier you eat, the better you sleep, right? So I so I stopped eating around 5:30. If I could eat at 5, 5:30. So when do you go to sleep, though? I go to sleep about eight or nine. I try to.

unknown 51:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

I try to.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

So yo, so three hours before.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

Yeah. And I do, I gotta admit, I do listen to some of the people on Instagram. Like I do look at the colours. No, I do too. Uh uh. This looks interesting. Let me try.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Have you chopped up avocado pits yet and boiled them or something?

SPEAKER_00 51:18

No, I haven't done that.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

I haven't either. I look it and he's like, uh, you shouldn't throw that in your garbage. That's got filled with antioxidants. I'm like, I don't know about that. I think that's what it is. I'm like, and they boil it. I'm like, okay, you just boiled it. Didn't you just kill stuff by boiling it? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

Oh, good point.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

So there's so much stuff out there.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

But I try to do everything. I do the NAD shots.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

You can't live on those.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

You can or cannot. I do I do them once a week because I heard they're good for your brain.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Yeah, but I don't know. I don't think you need help with your brain. I think your brain's firing very well.

Living In The Dash Closing

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Anyways, so to me, from listening to you, you were a perfect example of being able to thrive under change. I mean, all the different changes you made, and it probably started when you were in school and had to go to a different school each and every friends fast. Yeah. But it's interesting, you look back and you think you're miserable, right? Like, why do I have to go to a new school? And why do I have to why did right? You hate it. But those things that you hate develop your character and develop your passions and how you pivot. And I just think that you were a great success at using your strengths and pivoting.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

Well, thanks. Yeah, it was all like uh training for what I do now.

SPEAKER_03 52:37

Yeah. Yeah. Now, do you have any other dreams of doing anything else? Are you missing anything on the bucket list that you want to do?

SPEAKER_00 52:44

Well, now I was always so uh paranoid about missing work. I never wanted to miss a I do a radio show, I didn't want to miss the radio show. And now with technology, I'm able to do the show different places. I'm able to tape shows in advance. So last year, my family and I, we were able to do some vacations in Europe and stuff I've never done before.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 53:02

We normally would do San Diego, White Mountains.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

Stay close, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

Yeah. So now and and now my kids are my kids play uh sports, and now that uh, you know, you'd be sports mom, you know. Yeah that it it consumed us with uh all the high school sports and college sports, and that's kind of fading out now a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 53:18

Yes, and that's it really makes a whole different change because you look around, you're like, okay, I don't have to wash uniforms, I don't have to go to anywhere, and then you'll hear all the other kids out on the field with like baseball or whatever it is or soccer, and you're like, oh, kind of miss those days.

SPEAKER_00 53:34

Yeah, I read this, I I don't know if I read this book or I saw or a quote about when you know they say it's the blink of an eye. Yeah. It's the blink of an eye. And and it's like sometimes you have to realize that right now you're living in the blink.

SPEAKER_01 53:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

And I think like right now, my son, he's a senior in high school in Hawaii, he's got this big game, the you know, the March madness is starting, and it's like it's so stressful, and it's traveling is such a pain in the ass, and we we've been going back and forth every week and all these things, and it's like, but it's over soon. Yes. So I was telling my wife, I go, like, right now we're living in the blink. Don't complain. A year, two years from now, we're gonna be missing this so much, right?

SPEAKER_03 54:08

Okay, look at it this way. Think of your tombstone, the year you were born, the dash, the year you die. We're living in the dash.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

You're right.

SPEAKER_03 54:16

Right? And you how many words do you get on your tombstone? What do you want yours to say?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Great dad, great husband. That's it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:24

That's the most important.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Yeah, nobody ever said, I wish I spent more time at work.

SPEAKER_03 54:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Right.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

Yeah. Well, thank you. It was wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

Thanks, Kim.

SPEAKER_03 54:33

You made it through having someone ask you questions. That was awesome. Thanks. Thanks for watching the show. If you have any questions for me or you want any more information, go to Kim Alexis.com.